Joe Klein, Rick Warren, and Heaven

Time magazine political columnist Joe Klein doesn’t like Rick Warren. Why? Because Rick Warren thinks he’s going to hell.

Warren didn’t pick out Klein specifically. No, he just had the audacity to say that Jews are going to hell. He wasn’t preaching a sermon entitled, “All Jews are going to hell” or writing a book called “The Hell Driven Jewish Life”. Someone just asked him point-blank whether Jews are going to hell and he gave an honest answer. It’s not like he thinks Jews are especially going to hell. He just thinks that the only way to heaven is through Jesus.

Klein even gets silly, assuming that also sort of people fit into this category:

Indeed, if Jews–and all other non born-again Christians–homosexuals, feminists, and anyone who has either had an abortion, performed an abortion or reluctantly agrees that it’s none of our business who has abortions…if all those people are going to hell, then heaven’s got to be about as interesting as linoleum.

In fact, neither Rick Warren nor most evangelicals say homosexuals, feminists, or the variety of people Klein characterises in relationship to abortion, are going to hell. But what Klein wants to do is take the focus off of Jesus. That’s the real issue.

Regardless of sexuality, or sexual politics, no one gets in except through Jesus. It’s so basic to the Gospel that all these peripheral issues aren’t even mentioned by Jesus. It’s that whole the way, the truth, the life thing.

Even Jews are welcome, Joe. Jesus first disciples were Jews. Jesus Himself was a Jew. It’s just Jewishness itself is meaningless when it comes to getting into heaven, even if it is believing in that One Jew that makes the difference.

It is also interesting that Klein thinks heaven will need homosexuals, feminists, and people who have had, performed, or politically approved of abortions to avoid being boring. It seems Klein thinks heaven is about entertainment – some sort of extension of Hollywood. I suppose I can see where with that presupposition, and the prominence of homosexuals and feminist in the entertainment industry, he doesn’t see how the Big Heavenly Show can keep everyone’s attention for eternity.

There will be a Big Heavenly Show, with one Big (Bright Morning) Star. We’ve even see previews, and frankly I don’t think God cares that Klein would not be impressed. He would probably find it as interesting as linoleum:

Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:

“ Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”

And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

“ Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and ever!”

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6 Responses to “Joe Klein, Rick Warren, and Heaven”

  1. johnbisceglia Says:

    When Obama invited this “christian” to his speak at his inauguration, he invited a man who believes the Q-community are INFERIOR; “less than”. Let’s quit sugar-coating these turds! Being asked to “respect other’s opinions” doesn’t fly when those “opinions” are harmful lies about an entire segment of the population. Those “opinions” are tantamount to the extremely offensive beliefs and ideas our country once had about “negros” and “wives”, words and ideas that would NEVER FLY TODAY at an inauguration.

    Words and ideas that would incite riots today.

    When Rick “defined” our entire Q-community, it became clear that HE was the one suffering from immaturity, since he clearly limits his entire WORLD VIEW of homo-lovin-ality to 20-something, single and horned-up gay men.

  2. sol Says:

    I can see from your blog that you have a particular agenda, but I’m not sure what point you are making by putting Christian in lower case or quotation marks. Q-community appears to be a term for referring to those who identify themselves as homosexual, though I had to do some research on that.

    Warren does not believe that homosexuals are inferior. He, like most evangelical, Catholic, and Orthodox Christians believes that sexual behaviour between people of the same gender is wrong. This is, by the way, not an opinion. An opinion is not something that is right or wrong; it is a subjective view. The rightness or wrongness of same-sex sexual behaviour is objective – it is a belief, not an opinion. Warren and all Christians, except for some liberal Protestants in the West, are either right or they are wrong.

    The views of Christians about sinful behaviour is nothing like the beliefs some people once had about Negroes. Being black, white, mixed race, or whatever, is a state of being. Behaviour is not a state of being, despite the common suggestion that homosexuality (an orientation) is genetic. I realise that this state of being argument is essential to the LGBT political agenda, despite its irrelevance.

    Are you suggesting that the the words “negros” [sic] and “wives” would incite riots today. Dr Martin Luther King, Jr., who often used the word “Negro” would be surprised as to the first. (I have discussed this elsewhere.) I also didn’t realise that Michelle Obama wasn’t Barack Obama’s “wife”. As far as I know most Congressmen (admittedly Barney Frank excepted) have “wives”. There are even some Congresspersons and Senators that have “husbands”. I dare suggest that members of all branches of government, at all levels of government, are perfectly happy in any social situation to introduce their “husband” or “wife”.

    I haven’t seen where Warren defined your community, though I can’t imagine how it reflects immaturity.

    All this being said, you really haven’t addressed the substance of this post with your comment. However, being the tolerant person that I am, I am willing to keep your comment, given its somewhat comic value.

  3. Colonel Kernel Says:

    it’s actualy kind of refreshing that someone hasn’t waterered down their beliefs because “society” thinks they should.

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  5. sol Says:

    I think it’s called spamming to post a comment just to advertise your blog.

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